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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Xavier Cardde
in the end both sides lack the guns, numbers, and node stablity for a clear victory.
we shall shoot each other until we get tired of it.... thats the war.
And here layeth a big part of why you will lose: Because you don't think you can win.
We have no doubt in our minds whatsoever, we WILL beat you, we WILL be victorious. It is merely a question of time.
You will what? You havent stated ANY objectives, so how can you measure success?
You will note that crucially, he does not believe you can win either. What he says is true - the current game mechanics and server issues mean that a system-by-system seige of ASCN space is totally unrealistic. The most you can hope for are some node crashes and, if you are lucky, the odd lagged out fleet engagement.
As for you taking over ASCN space - quite simply, it will never happen. And everyone knows it. But thats the great thing about not stating any objectives, anything can be a 'victory' as you have not defined your goals.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Just because we haven't stated any objectives to random people like you who have nothing to do with the conflict doesn't mean there are strict objectives set within the BoB leadership.
Yet again your posting is amusing to me.
Thanks,
dbp
I understand perfectly that you will not wish to state your objectives.
However, I find it amusing that your forum warriors seem to hint at nothing less than the destruction of ASCN. They talk about 'win' and 'lose' in absolute terms.
This is an easy thing to do without clearly stated goals, and so only serves to make your forum warriors look foolish and short-sighted.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
I was responding to your alliance member who stated "we WILL beat you, we WILL be victorious".
I was pointing out that as you cannot measure victory if you have no stated goals, its a rather pointless statement to make. You will kill more ships than them? Hardly an impressive goal. You will take over their space? Not possible with current game mechanics and server issues. You will take over Paragon Soul? What, while you can't even effectively police fountain.
The point of this thread, DBP, is a debate on the war between yourselves and ASCN. My posts were perfectly relevant, the only troll here is the one I am bothering to reply to.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away 
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim
Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.
This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.
Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.
Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 10:55:00 -
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The BoB sigs are just great. Hilarious.
Who made them, out of curiosity?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/10/2006 12:07:23
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Hell, these aren't baseless accusaitons, they are rampant paranoid delusions.
At least they are on a private board. Say what you like about ASCN, but they don't rake the muck on a public board like you guys do.
Thats why pretty much everyone reading these threads has far more respect for ASCN's forum conduct than that of your alliance.
Don't get me wrong, I love these flame fests, they are great fun. But for me, the point of gaining inside intelligence on an foe is NOT to then drag it all over a public forum, but to put it to use in game in an honourable and effective way.
For all your claims and protests of being honourable, you do a remarkably poor job of proving it with threads like this.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
ASCN is large, many new as well as older players are part of it. Don't you think it is morally acceptable to counter outright lying propaganda such as posted by Mccreedy and Cyvok even if the source where you got it isn't entirely clean ? And isn't it true that in order to counter it, you often have to show it in a different setting for it to be seen as the nonsense it is ?
I agree that it is completely ridiculous for ASCN to claim you are deliberately crashing nodes. But its propaganda, isnt it. Its fairly harmless as they keep it on a private board.
If they had claimed that publically, you would have an arguement. But ASCN have kept their opinions private - unlike you guys.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alberta
...and it's all just a little bit of history repeating.
The First Rule of War:
Never trust a man who quotes Shirley Bassey.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Raging Lissa
I am very sorry to dump on the propaganda parade, but being new to eve i decided i wanted to see the truth of it. So i jumped into a shuttle and set waypoints all the way through both ascn and bob space. Now maybe i'm confused, but isnt bob supposed to be located in catch and period basis? if i'm wrong can someone please point me in the right direction because i've now been repeatedly podded by ascn and i have yet to get bob kill mail. I've actually flown directly through the frontline a few times too so i'm a little confused. Or does bob not practice NBSI? I have to admit i havent really been watching while i have autopilot on so i dont know who was in any of the systems i fly through, i just check the kill mail whenever i notice i'm dead... so am i in the wrong neighborhood? where is bob?
Check the Alliance map sticky in this very forum.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/10/2006 15:33:19
.. well it seems to me judging from the drivel being spouted by ASCN leadership, that it is the beginning of the end...
ASCN will fall. Its just a matter of time now...its a shame because they could have been the big equalizer in the South.
I guess nobody knew that the command structure was rotten from within.
Mind you..... I've had Cyvok lie to my face when I was a FIX JCoS, during the North vs South period. It was a pretty big lie. I can't say I am overly surprised by anything BoB says about their leadership.
lol
ASCN havent lost a single system. BoB have not stated they wish to take a single system.
So how have you come to the radical conclusion that they will fall? I think you're getting a little over excited about nothing in particular. Calm down
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: HuDDy
Butter have u ever been in a alliance v alliance War YOURSELF?
Several, thank you.
We all need somone free of Alliance constraints to post liberally on the forums, after all. Who my other characters are, clearly you have no idea
I have to say though, EVE is boring me of late. Node issues, a lack of challenge, call it what you will. I havent logged in on ANY of my characters much over the past few weeks. The forums are frankly more fun than the game right now.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: HuDDy
Edited by: HuDDy on 11/10/2006 18:18:12
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Several, thank you.
Ok well did'nt seem it with some of your post's probably haven't had access to the higher levels of alliances or your VERY naive. care to mention what alliances wars you've been in?
Why don't you give me your RL email and I'll send you the log-in screens of all my characters and you can see for yourself... or... maybe not.
Nothing about my posts is 'naive', if you feel it is, tell me exactly what and we can discuss it. That is, after all, the point of a discussion forum. Try it for a change, or is low level flaming all that you are capable of?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.11 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Does that mean Butter Dog is an alt then?
Because if it does you are simply not allowed to post on these forums as per the alts rule.
I'll make sure our GM's and Dev's look into this immediately.
Thanks for bringing that to my notice.
dbp
No, he is the main character on the account from which I am posting
Funny, though.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeveron
no node crash (thats an improvment CCP)
more lag (we r used to it CCP)
more BoB cans in space (we r learning BoB)
http://eve-files.com/dl/63430
http://eve-files.com/dl/63431
About time you guys won an engagement. More of the same please :)
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Mr Monopoly
How long has TCAG-3 Been under ASCN Sovereignty?
Ever since they took a large tower meant for deployment in TPAR but stuck in TCAG because of the wholesale slaughter of their fleets and put it up to hide in. ?
... eeehm, that'd be about 5 days then.
It's a non-system, only interesting because it's the first system into Period Basis when coming out of Paragon Soul, which again shows nicely how far ASCN got with their invasion.
Any other questions ?
Yes. When did you lose your ability to respond in a polite and reasoned way to the questions of neutral observers, and become as smacktardy as 90% of your alliance on these forums?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.13 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: End Yourself
Edited by: End Yourself on 12/10/2006 21:40:34
Originally by: Darcuese
HAs something change in here?
extract:
End Yourself : They're thieves! They're thieves! They're filthy little thieves! Where is it? Where is it? They stole it from us, our precious. Curse them! WE hates them! It's ours it is, and we wants it! We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
Butterdog : No! Not Cyvok.
End Yourself : Yes precious. First they cheat you, hurt you, LIE!
Butterdog : Cyvok's my friend!
End Yourself : You don't have any friends, nobody likes you!
Butterdog : I'm not listening, I'm not listening.
End Yourself : You're a liar and a thief.
Butterdog : No!
End Yourself : Murderer.
Butterdog : Go away!
End Yourself : Go away?!?
Butterdog : I hate you, I hate you.
End Yourself : Where would you be without me? End Yourself saved us! It was me! We survived because of me!
Butterdog : Not anymore.
End Yourself : What did you say?!?
Butterdog : Cyvok looks after us now, we don't need you anymore. Leave now and never come back!
*boohoohoooo* /me goes afk to fetch another drink...
Just because I dislike BoB's generally smacktardy forum attitude, does not mean I like Cyvok. For the record, I don't.
In fact, I think his accusations of 'hax' toward BoB are laughable, and I have said as much many times. I also think their kill/loss ratio is a joke, which makes BoB look far better than they really are.
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